John 9:4 Thats why we view every news story through the lens of faith. You know where I think people get this idea.from watching TV evangelists. Andrew J I have been very specific and clear about the problems I have with Bill Johnson. [url removed]. Christians out on the street very quickly to pray for the sick and Its obvious from these verses that those performing these counterfeit miracles do so under the honest belief that they are doing them in the name of Jesus, but God is clear that they are not. Each person has their own homemade version/definition of what that means. It confuses me right now, but hopefully it will clear up later, when I read more. Read what Jesus Christ had to say (RIGHT FROM HIS OWN LIPS) about it here: Mar 9:38 KJV And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils IN THY NAME, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us. In the early 80s, I suffered from a ruptured/prolapsed/slipped disc in my lower back. Amen Roger, good wordsimplicity. Matthew 7: Walking by the Holy Spirit is being FILLED with DIVINE Love, DIVINE Peace, DIVINE Faith, DIVINE Joy, DIVINE Meekness, DIVINE Longsuffering, DIVINE Temperance, DIVINE Gentleness, DIVINE Goodness. He has been the focus of several stories on national TV news, that even included a live interview. [8]Lack of healing is caused by a lack of faithwhich is Word of Faith doctrine to the core. (Mark 9:14, 16-18 NASB). He sold all he had, quit his job and moved to Redding California, in what he thought was faith, to get his wife healed. Titus 3:5 and many more Its sad that christians would mock other christians and claim they cannot discern the false from the truth when it comes to their personal walk with the Lord. Sadly, Torben chose to include the oldest parlor trick in the book, making someones supposedly shorter leg grow longer. If it happened on the Day of Pentecost, who said that it would never happen again? The only reason I havent is that Andrew vouches for him and I know Andrews heart. a) of those startled by strange sights or occurrences This is how His Kingdom comes in the earth! Jesus will outshine all when His servants take their proper place in the kingdom. Torben Sndergaard was born in 1976 in a non-christian family. You wrote: Paul was using both water and Spirit so many times in his epistles. Have you forgotten that Paul also said, For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. (1 Corinthians 1:17). I think it is entirely possible that Holy Spirit may answer the prayers and heal the person involved as a means of authenticating the message of the Gospel. He does not require us to do anything for Him, but on the contrary, works through us to do His will, and pleasure. (Luke 7: 14) But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of it, they tore their robes and rushed out into the crowd, crying out and saying, Men, why are you doing these things? It is actually Why is there so many reference in the NT of God using blood(death) & water(life) from the OT in making a covenant with His people? I prevail upon all here not to fall into the ways of the world and engage in these ad hominem attacks. There is a Danish Pastor called Torben Sndergaard doing the rounds and Ive been asked 3 times now what I think of him. There are four visions of the Son of Man as He is known in the heavenly realm & each vision in turn carries through to completion one aspect of the fourfold ministry which He exercised when on earth. The truth about Torben Sondergaard and the Last Reformation. Yes! 357 talking about this. They will walk into a childrens hospital and clear it out, even patients who had chemo for cancer will have their hair grow back. It is not open season for all our opinions as we each have those, & plenty of them. Thedude said, We want Christianity to go back to the New Testament and the life we read about in the Book of Acts. As proof of the spiritual authenticity of Torbens healings, you rely upon multitudes of people supporting your position. Look at the FAITH shown in His Prayer of John 17. Are they saying that Roman Catholics who speak in tongues are born again as well? I do remember Him saying something about the Pharisees who was calling Him evil for healing and casting out devils. This was Torontos biggest probblem as far as Im concerned, I was there and saw it. "Emotionally, this has been one of the hardest things I've ever experienced in my life, and it has been very humbling, and I have learned endurance like never before, and that it is important not to live by our feelings and emotions but to walk by the Spirit," Torben wrote in a recent Facebook post. Torben Sondergaard Calls the Line of Fire from Prison Call in LIVE: (866) 348-7884 it means we dont have to produce it or make it shine from self effort or striving . I had a marvelous confirmation of this word I speak. Thank you Lord Jesus! This is Elijah against the the 450 prophets of baal. Think of what was inside the arkthe tablets of stone written by the finger of Godmiraculously. Such being the case, we must go to the Bible to determine God's will with regard to modern - day apostles. Bethel practices fire tunnels to get drunk in the spirit. Why Jonathan Cahn and His Revelations Must be, Stephan Joubert se Deurlees van die Boek Openbaring, Terms and Conditions for Submission of Comments, Freemasonry / Ordo Novum Seclorum / Illuminati, Exposed: Holy Spirit vs Unholy Spirit of Fire. It is sadly often, as Terri has said, that it is other Christians who have been disappointed or are afraid what others may think that pour cold water on the faith of others. ** They want hope, need hope and the only hope is found in God! In 1995, he committed his life to Christ and felt God calling him to ministry. A Florida immigration judge has denied evangelist Torben Sndergaard's request for asylum. Thank God for this man from Scandinavia who was prepared to get out the boat and walk on water! John the Baptists baptism in water was a baptism of repentance, but when Jesus Came, you are to be spiritually baptised into the One and only Baptism of Jesus Christ. And they said to him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. I think you are right Barry. Thats not me even mentioning all the weird things that happened while I was at his school for 2 months before I left. I may have been a bit unclear in my position regarding what Chas 351 has said. I know of a man whose leg was 1.5 shorter than the other. 2 Andrew, I am very disappointed that I come here with what I think is grace and humility attempting to speak from Gods word, and yet the response is more name calling and calling me to repentance. Exd 4:3 KJV And he said, Cast it on the ground. God is doing a work in all believers. Mar 9:39 KJV But Jesus said, Forbid him not: FOR THERE IS NO MAN WHICH SHALL DO A MIRACLE IN MY NAME, THAT CAN LIGHTLY SPEAK EVIL OF ME. Jesus said, Let your light shine Stay bless. Doves dung represents a past movement of the Holy Spirit, a great revival from the past, but now long dead, that has been denomination-alized in the attempt to keep it alive beyond its time. 2023 The Christian Broadcasting Network, Inc., A nonprofit 501 (c)(3) Charitable Organization. Jhn 17:18 NASB As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. He comes to SHOCK AND AWE! I went to a conference of Rick Joyners where women with extremely long hair writhed on the floor like serpents (these women were allowed on stage). Torbens testimonies and teachings have increased my faith and given me confirmation. weird may imply an unearthly or supernatural strangeness or it may stress queerness or oddness . Just quietly go about the Lords work without regard to the attention it brings to you personally. Just because someone says they are doing something in the name of Jesus does not make it so. He believes this is a vital part of true disciple- Since the Todd Bentley debacle and other waves of Charis- But they sought God in prayer and fasting and rose up believing. Its very alarming that so many Christians are following this man. The fact that He never did such things was not simply that He wanted to make his followers honest and sincere, but also because He was communicating Life, and building a kingdom not of this world or according to its principles. 17 minutes of a guy basically saying be healed in Jesus name and they are better. People being raised from the dead, people who were truly lame from birth given the power to walk, people who were 100% blind being able to see, etc. The GLORY is the TANGIBLE MANIFESTATION OF THE PRESENCE OF GOD AND HIS NATURE. 4 Then said Paul, John truly baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying to the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. Torben Sondergaard Calls the Line of Fire from PrisonDr. Stay informed with the latest from CBN News delivered to your inbox. If God be for us who can be against us, yet the alternate to this is get behind me satan/carnal mind, you do not savor the things of God. and acknowledges the Catholic Church from1:42 in the video. And this sin of jealousy among other sins such as wanting the power to speak to God in an unknown language that makes the believer feel that because he/she can now speak in tongues they are on another spiritual level or more powerful than those who cant, and dont tell me you have never thought of this! Torben is the founder of The Last Reformation, a worldwide movement that seeks to return Christianity to the Book of Acts. of hyper-grace and hyper-charismania. Share on telegram. Torben Sondergaard Prison Updates the Truth shall make you free 68.7K subscribers Subscribe 33 3.7K views 3 weeks ago Con-Artist Torben Sondergaard Official Jail Update. You missed the entire divine point and purpose of the video- to show that Jesus still uses ordinary , humble, weak nobodies to do his marvelous works. Very bad thing to lead off with. Where do you get your identity? In 2011, he started the evangelical Christian movement known . In 2Timothy 2 we are told that the servant of the Lord instructs but it is the Lord who will give the other person instruction. preached. Teshuva, where Jesus said to leave them alone and forbid them not, I agree. You are so hungry for the real thing that any little trick will do. Once burned twice shyis not a bilixal concept!!! Maybe it was the fact that the video started For example of these : Jesus healing on the Sabbath, touching lepors, letting hookers wash his feet with their hair and speaking with Samaritan women ( all of hear were scandalous in His culture and no one with any cultural sensitivity would even dream of doing such things in that culture)- YET GOD SEEMED TO LOVE TO PICK A FIGHT WITH AND SCANDALIZE THE INSINCERE AND THE SKEPTIC! Not just be exposing the False. Rom 3:23 KJV For all have sinned, and COME SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD; In other words.you have failed to manifest the tangible Presence of God and His Nature. hesitate) to do something (for fear of harm) Organizer Torben Sondergaard is the man promoting his "Big Tent Revival" events on social media. so-called information. I pray that His peace and mercy be upon you and every person that reads your material. The Fiery Presence led them by night. Tags: Baptism of the Holy SpiritKundaliniLast ReformationSpeaking in TonguesTorben Sndergaard. USURPING the role of the Holy Spirit is very dangerous for ones health and welfare.check the scriptures. average, commonplace, everyday, garden, normal, ordinary, prosaic, routine, run-of-the-mill, standard, typical, unexceptional, unremarkable, usual, workaday; conformist, conservative, conventional; expected, familiar, knee-jerk, predictable; common, customary, frequent, habitual, regular. 2 Thess 2:7-12 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And he put his hand into his bosom: and when he took it out, behold, his hand [was] leprous as snow. And after all, Paul himself said that ANYTHING THAT IS NOT OF FAITH IS SIN. Let Gods holiness arise in His people ! Jesus also REVEALS TRUE FAITH in His Prayer to His Father for ALL of us. 2000 years agp the worldly people called Yeshuas followers Christians. I stand by my statements that all the supposed healings in these videos cannot be objectively proven by the video evidence alone. It is the January 18, 2023 3:58 am Videos; Home. Seymour had approached a man with a wooden leg and asked, What did you come here for? The man replied, I want you to pray for my leg. I was only allowed to cry for a few minutes and God took the reins and pulled back my emotions and said, I have him. God will move you along as fast as your faith will allow. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWOPcBry4-k. Time will tell if Torben has been sent by God to do the ministry works of Jesus as His ambassador on this earth. I heard it from a preacher some years ago. On the contrary, Im sure you hope and pray as I do that they will be aware of and resist the wiles of the adversary and remain in the humble simplicity of Christ, amen! There is another guy in the pool at 2:34 min who is convulsing in the water this is Kundalini electricity. In helping to delineate the true from the false, one thing the Lord made me aware of recently is that the false relies on witchcraft (though they dont know it) whereas the true relies on the Holy Spirit. If this work of Torben is not of God then it will come to nothing, but if it is of God then God Himself will confirm His word and His minister. This movement is helping the Church come back to the life we read about. Andthere arethreethat bear witnessinearth,the Spirit,andthe water,andthe blood:andthese threeagreeinone. Both of these ditches are equally dangerous. The Bible says that a quantity of sick, blind, lame and crippled came to this place, the pool of Bethesda [35][36]. A friend of mine wanted to know about Bill Johnson, because he has a friend who is caught up in the Bill Johnson ministry stuff. We have to go forward into the `true,` thing.`. Torben and Ronald did say that they felt nothing when they prayed for people who were healed. Deliverance and healing all at once on a whole congregation of people? I hear you Lightning Storm. After watching the second video, I can see the value of praying with people after talking to them about Jesus. I just watched the original video after reading and watching the second video. The rush of power into his person was so great that it caused him to fall on the floor. I have actually known Torben personally for 5 or 6 years. But all praise and glory be to Christ Jesus our Lord who has conquered the lion who prowls around seeking who he may devour! And so, he just did what the bible said for him to do. If you really believe what you are saying about Bill Johnson to be true then why dont you say, The Holy Spirit told me that Bill Johnson doesnt belong to God, is not a child of God and is purposefully leading the people of God astray as a messenger of Satan? Today is the day of salvation, work while it is yet day. Its far more common then people realize. 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