"There's terror and repulsion in us, the terrible spot that we don't talk about. I was watching Everwood this evening, and I saw Mr. Durning on it. Breakheart Pass. A few additional points. He describes in detail being captured by Germans and escaping, but NOT as part of the Malmedy events--not even at the same period of time. The charge of exaggerating one's military record is a very serious one (see Jeremy Michael Boorda), and needs to be backed up by evidence. Durning appeared in more than 100 movies, in role With the 398th Infantry Regiment he moved into Germany where he was again seriously wounded in March 1945 and evacuated to the United States. Durning killed the German infantryman which became a particularly painful memory. [Ref: http://www.web2carz.com/people/who-you-know/2097/charles-durnings-war-heroism-exaggeration-fabrication]. In 2004 I was lucky enough to spend a day directing him in a television commercial for the Kerry campaign. Historical Popularity Index (HPI) 44. But he leaves behind an interesting question: was he at the Malmedy Massacre? Michael Dorosh 14:48, 21 August 2006 (UTC), An editor made this edit that accuses Durning of exaggerating his military record. As pointed out, there is no official record of Mr Durning listed on any roll of a Ranger unit and in my knowledge elements of the Provisional Ranger Force were landed besides the 29th Infantry Division rather than the First Infantry Division. 1935). But it was thought be of value in the areas where they knew the mercury issue was relevant. He does not appear in the list of survivors. You were getting a salary for performance plus a rehearsal salary. The net result was a commercial that was okay. Division, and a former Chief of Staff for the 1st. [10] Additional awards included the Army Good Conduct Medal, the American Campaign Medal and the European-African-Middle Eastern Campaign Medal with Arrowhead device and two bronze service stars, and the World War II Victory Medal. Whether you want to learn more about other famous veterans, polish up your resume, find veteran job fairs in your area, or connect with employers looking to hire veterans, Military.com can help. In the past I've seen folks read an entry that said 'Bronze SS'and interpret it as the man earned both a Bronze Star Medal and a Silver Star Medal, when in fact it just denoted a single bronze Service Star for a campaign ribbon.98.255.89.22 (talk) 00:56, 12 July 2013 (UTC). On TV, Durning had a recurring role on Everybody Loves Raymond as the Barone family's long-suffering parish priest, Father Hubley. Durning is the only survivor of a unit that landed on Omaha Beach that June 6 in 1944. He appeared on the FX television series Rescue Me, playing Mike Gavin, the retired firefighter father of Denis Leary's character. - At least one account says he was assigned to the 159th Infantry Regiment. Again, Charles Durning is nowhere to be found among these men. [14], Durning died of natural causes at his home in Manhattan on Christmas Eve December 24, 2012, aged 89. Wikipedia says no primary sources and the military record is a primary source. He appeared in John Frankenheimer's I Walk the Line (1970) starring Gregory Peck, and three Brian De Palma movies: Hi, Mom! were returned to those kinds of units, infantrymen were returned to infantry units. A Tiger's Tale. [13] The real truth of the incident only becomes known for certain when the guilt-stricken veteran goes through a cathartic reliving of the battlefield events. Again, Durning is not listed. The Malmedy Massacre was exhaustingly investigated by the First Army. [5]. So. Date of Birth. He was discharged in 1946 as a private first class. We were frightened all the time. On that basis everything ever quoted is potentially false - a ridiculous proposition. few survivors of the attack on American POWs at Malmedy, Belgium. The current article, which avoids all discussion of these questions of fact, appears dedicated to burnishing and protecting his image, which seems a POV violation. He landed at D-Day, was in the Battle of the Bulge, and was part of the Malmady Massacre. He also played the voice of recurring character Francis Griffin, the religious zealot father of Peter in the animated series Family Guy. Can we really exclude that the speach could have writen by a lazzy (or gullible) employee who could simply have made a copy/paste of what he had found on a website without making any check? View more newsletters on our Subscriptions page. --Lebob-BE (talk) 20:11, 25 February 2009 (UTC), . [3][17], On December 27, 2012, Broadway theaters dimmed their lights to honor him. And yes, some say that his career officially started as a singer with a band at the age of 16 before going into acting. December 26th, 2012 Tweet A few words of respect for Charles Durning who died on Monday at age 89. So when was he a member of Third Army, during or after the war?EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 13:23, 26 December 2012 (UTC), It seems to me we should be able to track down (and then link to) Durning's Silver Star citation, which would provide date, circumstances and probably unit of assignment at the time. The biggest joy of the experience was getting to spend the day chatting with Mr. Durning. - Mr. During supposedly told a close friend that the reason he was transferred to the Rangers was because he hit an officer, and was therefore given the choice of either Leavenworth or the Rangers. Languages Editions (L) I would however draw you attention to the fact that this sentence merely concerns the way the event has been related in many books, i.e. Working through Hollywood contacts we heard that veteran character actor Charles Durning was a keen Democrat (even though his wife was a staunch Republican and literally tried to keep him from associating with us). Born in Highland Falls, New York, on February 28, 1923, Durning became an actor relatively late. His birthplace is Highland Falls, New York. To Be or Not to Be. The question of why a trained rifleman (if that is what he was on D-Day) would suddenly end up in a field artillery observation battalion (if that is what happened) on 17 December is still pertinent. However, I just recently found out about his heroism during WWII which included being in the first wave on Omaha Beach at Normandy, being one of the few survivors of the Malmedy Massacre and being awarded the Silver Star and three Purple Hearts. I added this piece of information: War Hero on Walk of Fame by Solvej Schou (Associated Press). We'll never know the whole story of his war years.I used to hear the difference between a "sea story" and a fairy tale was a fairy . NEW YORK (Reuters) - Charles Durning, a World War Two hero who became one of Hollywood's top character actors in films like "The Sting," "Tootsie" and "The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas," has. He was a great character actor, a tremendous military hero, and a really good guy (plus a Democrat) whom I got to spend a day with in 2004. Never has Mr. Durning's name been quoted in any single book I have read. [AlanM1(talk)] 00:56, 29 July 2013 (UTC), More Durning documents have turned up. - While many individual service records were indeed destroyed by fire, the General Orders which issued Silver Stars were stored at other locations - such as in the unit files - that have been archived at other facilities. The rest of the Wikipedia article on World War II service is, as others have noted here, quite inconsistent. Total mustering out pay was $300 $100 was paid at the time. Browse 1,069 charles durning stock photos and images available, or start a new search to explore more stock photos and images. Charles Edward Durning (February 28, 1923 - December 24, 2012) was an American actor, with appearances in over 200 movies, television shows and plays. --65.190.163.190 02:09, 23 May 2006 (UTC). There is a significant question as to who he served with upon returning to the Continent. Rlevse Talk 03:12, 9 November 2009 (UTC), I realize it's no shame to have post traumatic stress disorder, but I think that any such assertions in an article must be sourced, as per BLP. According to his TV Guide biography, Durning left home at age 16 and later enlisted in the Army.. Durning's rugged early life provided ample material on which to base his later portrayals. Let's discuss the editing here please. The Cat!" That at least would acknowledge the elephant in the room. 159th Regiment. Earlier in the discussion somebody (rightfully) pointed out General Reynold's sentence "Few of these accounts are based on fact, and most are embellished and inaccurate". Steve Karras - who wrote the web2carz article - joined the discussion and provided additional data from his research. 67.181.14.236 (talk) 09:39, 9 May 2009 (UTC), I've removed this from the article after his admission of nightmares: "which is common among veterans suffering from post-traumatic stress", Unless the person that added this is a medical doctor with Mr. Durning under his care (and has consent to post it to the internet!) The Sting. Tootsie. Charles Durning. Durning participated in various functions to honor American veterans, including serving as Chairman of the U.S. National Salute to Hospitalized Veterans. Durning was drafted into the U.S. Army just in time to fight in World War II. Charles Durning was born on 1923-02-28. He was drafted at age 20. Well I should maybe have taken part earlier to this discussion. Nothing more. I only know two things. Stetsonharry (talk) 21:43, 22 February 2009 (UTC). Shearonink (talk) 19:53, 9 June 2019 (UTC), Not so far as I can tell, information does not appear in cited souces. Oldbubblehead (talk) 06:18, 18 June 2013 (UTC). His three brothers James (known as Roger, 19152000), Clifford (19161994), and Gerald (19262000) and his sister Frances (19182006) survived to adulthood, but five sisters died from scarlet fever and smallpox as children. 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Then came The Malmedy Massacre which took place on December 17, 1944 by a unit that was a part of the 1st SS Panzer Division . Charles Durning will be honored for lifetime achievement by the Screen Actors Guild. Other men could probably have the same luck. In 1979, he played Doc Hopper, a man who owns a frog leg restaurant and the main antagonist in The Muppet Movie. Durning is not listed. But while I don't know Durning and have only met him once, he is close with several close friends of mine, and I asked them to ask him about the Malmedy thing. - According to another source, Durning and 12 others were levied out of C/386 AAA/AW on 23 May 44, just two weeks before D-Day and assigned to the 17th Replacement Depot; he arrived in Normandy still assigned to a detachment of that Depot (as Old bubblehead noted). He scored minor roles over the next decade until he really got noticed by film fans as the sneering, corrupt cop "Lt. Snyder" hassling street grifter 'Robert Redford' in the multi award winning mega-hit The Sting (1973). And then you go and do a documentary feature film about the Bataan Death March (as I did last year and will begin screening on Feb. 14 at Brown University) and you end up gaining your own appreciation for the fact that history is just some agreed upon set of stories. 1923-02-28. I would hope that the editors of this page would at least mention that there is controversy surrounding the many versions of his wartime service and that official records are at odds with many points. A few words of respect for Charles Durning who died on Monday at age 89. The "confusion" regarding Mr. Durning's service is far more extensive than has been touched on here. While Oldbubblehead's research apparently verifies the Silver Star, the issue will not be put to bed until the GO (with its citation extract) can be located. I wonder whether it might be able to get some rock solid sources on this. Unless there is a source that indicates Mr. Durning has a disorder, suggesting he has one simply because he admits to nightmares is false and misleading. Military spouses are making a go of their dream jobs across a wide range of fields. . Durning's unit guarded German POW's in Krippe, Germany until after VE Day, June 23, 1945. Who played Les in Tootsie? Charles Durning Malmedy How To Teach You. But, there is no way Durning is the second most decorated hero of WWII, see Audie Murphy and Matt Urban. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. Early life. Charles Durning, the beloved . Division. (2000). The best result we found for your search is Charles Albin Durning age 70s in Mendenhall, MS. I realize that one will oppose the statement of the French consul. Fighting in the Battle of the Bulge, he and the rest of his company were captured and forced to march through a pine forest at Malmedy, the scene of an infamous massacre in which the Germans . (LOS ANGELES TIMES) Charles Durning, a Tony Award-winning actor whose prolific work in films and television included supporting roles in the classic comedy "Tootsie" and the TV sitcom. Worse, the 398th's own regimental history of its participation in WWII has a list of all its medal awardees; Mr. Durning is not listed as earning any medal of any kind with that unit. He was undeterred, however, and would become one of the greatest character actors in living memory. (2000). Alfred "Ed Moch" Cota. He told me he was fond of my father because he was, in his opinion, one of only a handful that he felt was actually telling the truth most of the rest had either intentionally or unintentionally blown their stories up over the years into hugely embellished tales that contradicted each other and played loose with the facts. I hope to get some kind of interview with him that can be published in order to cite these things, but with his current condition, I'm not sure it can be accomplished. At that time,in my pre-understanding of conversations I had with his spouse, Mr. Durning did not like to discuss his involvement in the landing at Omaha Beach that fateful day with The 1st. Durning was a great actor. A veteran character actor who was a widely recognizable face in film and on television for over five decades, Charles Durning earned his place as a dependable presence often . It is possible that a riflemen might be reclassified as a driver due to the extent of his injuries and be given limited duties in a FAOB, so it is not inconceivable, but the point here is that there needs to be some reliable evidence. The New York Times, which commented on Durning's more than 200 credited roles, referred to him and actor Jack Klugman, who died the same day, as "extraordinary actors ennobling the ordinary". Durning, 84, will receive the award for fostering the "finest ideals . 3 Ways to Recover from a Blown Salary Negotiation, 3 Ways to Gather Intel for Your New Civilian Job, 3 Tips that Can Increase Your Chances for Job Fair Success, WWII Vet and Actor Charles Durning Dies in NYC, Actor Charles Durning to be Interred at Arlington, Sign up for a free Military.com membership, 14 High-Paying Jobs for Low-Skill Communicators, 10 Things We Know for Sure About Modern Veterans, 7 Ways Your Dream Job Is Holding You Back. 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Hand color tinted photo of Charles Durning. In 1999, Durning was inducted into the Theater Hall of Fame on Broadway. He was part of the landing forces at Normandy during the initial invasion of France by Allied forces. The suggestion that it should now be considered "definitive" is laughable, given that its origins are completely spurious.139.48.25.60 (talk) 18:33, 5 May 2009 (UTC), Some insight (OR) This information isn't currently usable in the article itself, since I'm not aware of a published source that can be cited. In any case, recovered soldiers were returned to units of their original branch. Sadly, Durning made a number of statements during his lifetime and was present when statements were made about his military service which cannot be reconciled with the undisputed facts in his military records. Durning's memorable roles included the Oscar-winning The Sting (1973) and Dog Day Afternoon (1975), along with the comedies Tootsie, To Be or Not to Be and The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas. If such a trivial thing deserves mention (which IMO it doesn't), then you would need to provide a reference that someone else is the 2nd most decorated soldier of WWII. As you know, that is a critical difference. 8. I am proposing the following as a new section on the Charles Durning page: "Controversy Surrounding Military Service - In 2002, he performed in Bertolt Brecht's The Resistible Rise of Arturo Ui with Al Pacino, produced by Tony Randall. Can anyone track what year was the first claim that Mr Durning claimed to be a Ranger? [AlanM1(talk)] 23:36, 28 December 2012 (UTC) (Edited 23:39, 28 December 2012 (UTC)), Oldbubblehead (talk) 23:42, 16 April 2013 (UTC), I have received a copy of Durning's military records from the National Archives. Prior to his acting career, Durning served in World War II and was decorated for valor in combat. Unfortunatley, the secondary sources have most of his info wrong. He wasnt just a run of the mill World War II veteran. Charles is related to William Pershing Durning and Jeff M Durning as well as 1 additional person. http://nmisscommentor.com/random-firings/charles-durning-obit-in-the-new-york-times/comment-page-1/#comment-126171. For his numerous roles on television, he earned nine Emmy Award nominations. But it should be possible to ask them whether they have kept a record of this speach. My father was a Malmedy survivor and I have done extensive research into the massacre and its aftermath. Tough Guys. Aedwardmoch (talk) 05:35, 8 November 2008 (UTC)AedwardmochAedwardmoch (talk) 05:35, 8 November 2008 (UTC), There are different ways to calculate "most decorated" and it's exacerbated by the fact that some awards are delayed by decades. [1](No mention made of service with an antiaircraft unit), In populating the Infobox, I made the assumption that Frances is Charles' sister because of the spelling of the name (instead of Francis), based on my experience (admittedly OR) and "Frances is a human name, the feminine version of Francis." While working as an usher in a burlesque theatre, he was hired to replace a drunken actor on stage. He was honored with the Life Achievement Award at the 14th Annual Screen Actors Guild Award Ceremony on January 27, 2008. He cut his teeth in Shakespearean productions staged by Joe Papp and, in 1972, won a Drama Desk award for his performance in That Championship Season on Broadway. He agreed to give us a day, I pulled together an amazing crew of industry veterans (including the very best cameraman I ever got the joy of working with they were all Democrats willing to donate their time for the campaign), we found a location north of L.A., and within a couple days were out there filming. 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