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12. The story come from Frank Finch, a retired seaman living in New South Wales, Australia, who wrote a letter to This should not be surprising as the wheelhouse was built during the fitting out stage and so did not exist during the launch. Or they have perhaps mistaken the front of the officer's quarters as the wheelhouse, which it is not. 14. The photograph used to support this allegation, "taken from the top of the huge steel gantry" is of the launch of Olympic's hull (painted white) on October 10, 1910 in Belfast, Ireland: It allegedly shows a flat wheelhouse, however on closer inspection no wheelhouse can be seen. It is the Olympic, not Titanic. They would only be interested in shorter crossings. The number proves that 1. the propellers could and would not be swapped and 2. that it is Titanic. Above right: Titanic , while still on the stocks and while fitting out in 1911, allegedly shows that there was no similar joint in her hull plating just ahead of her port side anchor. J.P. Morgan and 50 others cancel passage, 25. The reality: In close-up we can clearly see that the name Titanic was actually sketched on to the negative/photograph to make it more visible and so cannot be used for reference. James Cameron had his work cut out for him when it came to getting Leonardo DiCaprio to star in "Titanic." The famed director was honored with a Hand and Footprint Ceremony at the TCL Chinese . 12 was lowered a French man jumped in from B Deck. 19345. of her departure many outlets resorted to using photographs and footage of Olympic, leading to much confusion over the subsequent years. 9. surviving crew got to port they were all taken aside and met by two men, one - Yes. How could -and why would- a competitor become implicated in a massive and highly complex 'switch' theory, notably without a scrap of evidence to show for it? Also several other passengers such as Lady Duff Gordon and Edith Rosenbaum reported ice on the deck. The branches creak and the shadows leap. Mount Temple (50 miles) Canadian Pacific Steamship Company cargo ship, Westbound, London to St. John's, Newfoundland Sorry, no evidence of conspiracy here, just a touched up photograph. the committee, announcing that he will be in Venice on April 23 for the inauguration of the biennial International Art Exhibition, April 25, and dedicate the new Campanile of St. Skip to Content. Actually, it is quite likely true that most of the Belfast 'delivery trip' crew did not sign on for Titanic's maiden voyage. . Accomplished through strategic, long term planning . Importantly, To the untrained eye, the exterior differences between the two ships were minor anyway, so would have been deemed an unnecessary amount of extra work that would likely benefit very few. Titanic was not open for the press and public inspection According to the documentary "Titanic Breaking New Ground", James Cameron sends a robot submarine into the sitting room of the promenade suite on B deck and films Lack of publicity for Titanic ", Olympic (left) and Titanic during construction at Harland & Wolff, Belfast. - Fourth Officer Boxhall "a little ice in the well deck covering a space of about three or four feet from the bulwarks right along the well deck, small stuff. (British Enquiry,Day 13) There are three key points regarding this claim: 1. Either way, the wheelhouse was not yet built at this stage, so no proof can be offered from this photograph. He later served as Oxford Professor of Poetry (199499), and lectures given during his tenure in that post were collected as The Strength of Poetry (2001). The Chief Mate put Paddy in charge of Parisian (50 miles) Allan Line, Liverpool, England, Westbound, Glasgow - Halifax - Boston in a high position in the company, the other man was in a very high position Titanic researcher Ioannis Georgiou explains further: "Ismay's sitting room was explored by James Cameron during his 2001 dives. Damage from Olympic's collision with Hawke was more significant Even more conclusively, a New York Times newspaper article of Thursday 28th March 1912 reveals that in March "J. Pierpont Morgan has written a cordial letter to And if these researchers and historians are supposedly "in" on the conspiracy then why would they release this image at all and risk the 'truth' being known? Claims for this range from "two of the firemen, boiler stokers and greasers" to "a large proportion of the engine crew" to the specific number of 173 who 'preferred to wait for employment on another ship.' had switched ships at layup and that an insurance scam was going on. Despite the overwhelming evidence and logic as presented in the previous page, 'switch' proponents will often raise a seemingly large number of questions, doubts, alleged inconsistencies and supposed evidence that has led some to believe the 'switch' is not only possible, but a reality. the shadows of the butt lap is still discernable." 43. We know that Titanic had spare propellers made (as after the disaster they were used for memorials) so it would not be unreasonable to expect Olympic was the same. This is completely false. It is clearly in a different area. The reality is that the Californian's cargo manifest does not exist. For many years afterward its port and starboard White Star insignia were used as prizes by a local Sea Scout group. Of course there is none. But this is not due to it being the Olympic. This is true - but also should to any informed reader be completely without surprise or hint of conspiracy. Discoloured plating on Titanic Leading Fireman Frederick Barrett testified before the British Wreck Commission that on the day of the collision Was this to hide 12 months worth of scratches and marks on the linoleum's surface? Firstly it must be noted that welding was indeed invented during the 1800s, before the construction of Olympic and Titanic. 4. The documentary itself, although spending the first 40 minutes promoting the 'switch' conspiracy, actually ends up concluding in the final five minutes that it did not happen. The fact is that there were many physical differences between the two ships that would involve substantial work to change. How many crew and passengers were onboard prior to the rescue? Olympic was damaged badly enough to force the voyage to be cancelled. how in just four and one-half days the Titanic reached the position where she sank if she was never able to travel at more than 12 knots! If they were interchangeable why would there be a number on it? At least one of them would speak to someone, or at the very least have a deathbed confession and not one single report was ever made. They were also not on the gunwhales but on the sides of the lifeboat. - Coming from Belfast to Southampton. 36. 9 and was ordered by 1st Officer Murdoch down to A Deck where he helped with the loading of lifeboat No. 47. These above images are used by conspiracy theorists alleging a difference in the windows on B-deck -which should not be surprising as two private verandahs and suites were added to this section of the ship after its launch. Actually there were only 6 within a 140 mile radius. 5. He is a Fellow of the Royal Society of Literature and was Oxford Professor of Poetry for the . but would have perhaps slowed the rate of sinking. Quite clearly the B-deck forward starboard windows are narrow - matching the wreck exactly. In discussing the claim that "Olympic was fitted with Titanics starboard propeller shaft" Mark Chirnside summarises: "There is no evidence that Harland & Wolff ever used one of Titanics propellers, or propeller blades, on Olympic; there is every reason to believe that they would have had a spare Olympic propeller in any case.". What they seem to miss is that this is clearly a fake, computer generated image, as it doesn't match any other footage ever shot of the wreck let alone the bow section. (Click to enlarge). (British Enquiry (Day 3) Most agree that the Titanic split just forward of the third funnel. Claim: Numerous ships were stationed nearby, despite a coal strike, to take off the passengers, which is why the shortage of lifeboats would not matter. Nor does it prove Gardiners speculation that the name had been ground This would seem very odd considering the fact that people were paying for Titanic's maiden voyage and not the Olympics maiden voyage. 'Titanic of the skies': The story of London's ill-fated luxury airship service to Melbourne. The hearings following the Olympic/Hawke collision included a damage assessment of the Olympic which was agreed upon by both White Star and the Royal Navy, and stated that the Hawkes bow had penetrated eight feet into Olympics hull. - Able Bodied Seaman Edward John Buley also reported a couple of tons of block ice (British Inquiry (Day 16). So Cameron confirms that the veins in the marble are exactly the same as in a period photograph, and the photograph he used is one of Olympic. Claim: All that needs to be done to switch the ships is exchange those parts of the ships which bore the vessels names such as name plates, the ships bell, menus and note paper letterheads, the names on the life belts and life boats, also any plaques and brass fittings with the liners name on and any interior signing bearing the name Olympic or Titanic. Claim: Titanic had 14 bow portholes. Passengers said there were promenades instead of cabins Claim: Dr Robert Ballard has admitted that when he discovered the wreck of the Titanic he found evidence it was actually the Olympic. Firstly because a collision resulting in water overflowing the top of a bulkhead was considered very unlikely. And the answer is the same. After studying at the Chorister School in Durham, where he performed with the cathedrals renowned choir, he attended the Repton School and the British Institute of Florence. According to a Mirror article about Southampton entitled "The City That Lost a Generation to the Titanic Disaster" (March 24, 2012) "17,000 men were without work that April" due to the coal strike. 27. in the Government. Fenton was born to an Anglican priest and his wife, who died when Fenton was 10. (This was mentioned in Dan van der Vat and Robin Gardiners 1995 book, The Riddle of the Titanic, page 21.) At the time there was also a coal strike, issues with Olympic being repaired, and Titanic was not at full passenger capacity. WELL HERE YA GO. Hall and Beveridge note in regard to this photograph that although "the overlapped doubler is hidden behind the stowed anchor, There are a couple of important points to first realise. Titanic was carrying over 2200, and could have potentially been carrying more than 3000 if fully occupied. 41. huge and had been outfitted with the most expensive linoleum onboard (a "Persian Rug" linoleum pattern) so it does not make sense they would carpet over such an investment, especially as typically most dining rooms of the time were simply not carpeted. Please refer to the appropriate style manual or other sources if you have any questions. (Click to enlarge). The Hawke impacted the Olympic in the stern area. It could be compared to a short haul and long haul flights today -often requiring very different airline cabin crews. This is another one of those inaccurate claims that more importantly does not make any sense even if it was accurate. Titanic in the first week of March 1912 shows the stark contrast between the light grey primer and the fresh black top coat being applied (courtesy Jonathan Smith). and would never get a job when they got out. After returning to England in 1976, he reported on British politics for the New Statesman. Californian was not expecting rockets, but a rendezvous showing through, but which under the harsh lighting conditions looks more white than grey. However, in December 1911, during Titanic's fit out, she had 2 added to light the crews galley and wash room which resulted in a total of 16 as seen in the maiden voyage photographs. In fact his comment was made at least 30 years after the disaster (he was 20 while aboard Titanic), so could well have been an exaggeration. The boats were left until December 1912 in New York. About This Item. But unsurprisingly in 2019 a new 'meme' appeared on the internet claiming to show evidence from the wreck site that repair work done to Olympic caused by the Hawke collision can be seen in wreck photographs, captioned with "YOU NEED PROOF? keeping quiet all those years had taken a great toll on his health and the sanity 3. In 1967 he enrolled at Magdalen College, Oxford, initially intending to study English but later switching to psychology, philosophy, and physiology. The production, which transplanted the story to the Mafia underworld of 1950s New York City, was a success, and it caught the eye of theatre producer Cameron Mackintosh, who asked him to translate the French musical Les Misrables, based on the book by Victor Hugo. B. Ismay had all the linoleum flooring on the new "RMS Titanic" covered up with new carpet. 4. Fenton was made a fellow of the Royal Society of Literature in 1983. full speed. - Leading Fireman Charles Hendrickson (British Inquiry, Day 5). to Gallatin TN (Pop. 44. Where rust and marine life have flaked the top layers of paint from the hull of the wreck discovered by Dr Ballard patches of what appear to be white paint are exposed. However the way in which it is painted to look part of a conspiracy theory Difference in tonnage He also confirmed that the ship was doing seventy-five revolutions, not 80 as was possible. Thirdly, the description "numerous" is very misleading. Secondly, it is true that the outline of each letter was incised into the hull, and then painted in with a golden/yellow shade. It is, however, agreed that crew returning to England were under instructions to give evidence at the Board of Trade Inquiry and not to talk to the media beforehand. 16. As far as I am certainly not be unusual to discover a bulkhead in the stern of the wreck of Olympic, Titanic or Britannic and certainly does not prove a 'switch'. We need to know which accounts precisely are being referred to here. Promenade Suites, identical to Olympic's. keeping quiet all those years had taken a great toll on his health and the sanity THIS IS PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE AND IT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. Fenton was also active in the theatre scene. between eighty and ninety feet.". Olympic, Titanic and Britannic) all had watertight bulkheads so it would The panelling used shows a number on the frame that says 401. 7:15 PM. If there was enough sufficient evidence to prove the wreck is in fact the Olympic why would you need to fake something such as this? Captain Smith was photographed by a newspaper photographer on the bridge of the Titanic. 'The Olympic Room' December 31 st 1911. 2. This is his testimony: I understand it has been stated that the ship was going at full speed. Olympic had a 2 degree list to port, as did Titanic Fenton, F. -Saloon steward Ferrary, Auto -Trimmer Ferris, W. -Leading fireman . Ultimately, when asked about the Olympic 'switch' theory he went on record as saying the wreck is Titanic. They also allege that the three wireless messages the Californian sent Titanic were personally addressed to Captain Smith, telling him of her position, as if the Californian was telling Smith that she was ready and waiting. 3 additional double-ended boilers were lit up about 8 a.m. (although they take 12 hours before they are put online) and he was sure that the ships five auxiliary But according to Titanic researcher Ioannis Georgiou "none of Titanic's boats were reused by the White Star Line. More tellingly, this does not look like repair work - considering that this was supposed to have been completely repaired and seaworthy. For sure bunker "W" was emptied as this is mentioned by survivors. 11. But there is a very simple and logical reason that does not necessitate a conspiracy. It is true that a list to port was observed by passengers Lawrence Beesley (in The Loss of the S.S.Titanic) and Norman Chambers (US Inquiry). It is true that Titanic's sea trials were half that of Olympic's. and was the first national strike by coal miners in Britain, with the main goal securing a minimum wage. the number of revolutions some time on Monday or Tuesday to 78, which he claimed would drive the ship at 6. Firstly, it is true that the Carpathia had a capacity of more than what the Titanic was carrying - the Carpathia was certified for more than 2800. 1)The well known (to some of you) James A Fenton, alias "Paddy the Pig", who in the early 1970s, hinted how the loss of the Titanic was not entirely accidental. Olympic had 16 bow portholes. 38. Hence post-Titanic-sinking images of Olympic also have this 16 porthole configuration. Claim: As welding had not yet been invented, it was customary for White Star Line to etch or cut the names of their liners into the steel and not rivet them to the outside. We have been told by the look-out people that there were binoculars on the Olympic? Though most of his work was ultimately discarded, Fenton was nonetheless contracted to receive somewhat less than 1 percent of royalties, which, because of the overwhelming international success of the musical, amounted to a substantial sum that made him independently wealthy. 1853). If not, it is a moot point. Above: Titanic, left and Olympic, right. 40. 15 $18.4 17.55 Silver Cricket Fob Recess Antiques 85.00 $104.27 99.42 Silver & M,O,P Fruit Knife.Sheff.1910 By J.Fenton. Claim: Patchwork and braces from repair work due to damaged caused by the Hawke collision with the Olympic found in Titanic's stern wreck photographs. It is very plausible that the 1,000 pounds[sic] of tonnage was added to the Olympic in order to meet the weight [sic] of the Titanic. 42. Claim: A large proportion of the engine crew signed off just prior to the ill fated voyage starting from Southampton, during a coal shortage which meant that many sailors were out of work due to their ships being laid up. Titanic when launched was a work in progress, designed to be a better, improved version of her older sister Olympic. I have contacted Steve Hall directly (November 2018) to clarify this and there are 4 important points to be considered: 1. So it is hardly likely crew would be forced to use it for the Titanic disaster. Survivor Lawrence Beesley wrote about men in the smoking room sighting the iceberg in his book, "The Loss of the SS Titanic": "One of them had seen through the windows an iceberg go by towering above the decks. Author Steve Hall admits it could be the Olympic Surviving crew signed the Official Secrets Act, 35. CLAIM: Titanic's insurance was increased 5 days before the maiden voyage which resulted in J. P. Morgan receiving $12 million in insurance payouts from Lloyds Maritime Insurance. But please read this information first, where it clearly shows that Lloyds records do not agree with this at all. Gardiner argues that when on the port side boat No. Titanic did not strike an iceberg Interestingly, Gardiner himself has admitted the image is fake. And there is evidence of 'white' paint on the hull of the wreck. - Yes. Ice on the deck was not from an iceberg answer was to grind the names off the bells. The actual triangular hole in the Olympic is much further aft than the location of the so-called 'patchwork' on the wreck. from the wreck was actually the crows nest (or lookout) bell, and he states: on This claim is often accompanied with some unverified private anecdote of having met Ballard or seeing a presentation given by him shortly after the discovery of the Titanic in the 1980s. Gardiner bases this hypothesis on the idea that the supposed iceberg was seen at such a short distance by the lookouts because it was actually a darkened ship. Now, director James Cameron is hoping . Presenter Danny Wallace says: "This is a cracking conspiracy theory and all too tempting to believe were it not for the mass of evidence against it so it seems Titanic and Olympic never were switched, there never was an insurance scam." This is a classic example of a 'meme' using demonstrably false information or incorrect images to promote the 'switch' theory, as it can be very easily disproved when looking at documented photographs. In fact both Olympic and Titanic were launched with 14 portholes on the port side forecastle on C-Deck and 15 portholes on the starboard side of the same area. The warped keel apparently gave the Olympic a permanent a 2 degree list to port and the ship builders stated that it could not be corrected without rebuilding half of the ship. Difference in number of Titanic's portholes Paddy said that the guilt of There is nothing here on which to base a 'switch' theory. Difference in Titanic's name plate Excerpt from the documentary "Titanic Breaking New Ground" when director James Cameron explores B-52 during his 1995 dive. This claim shows a total ignorance, not only of Olympic and Titanic but of ships and shipbuilding in general. The cost of switching the ships (note point 5 about the number of changes necessary on both ships) and additional ongoing costs of keeping thousands of people quiet would be enormous and most importantly completely unnecessary. Indeed - much of the advertising and for that matter news coverage of the disaster, used artwork, photographs and newsreel footage of the Olympic. It is a wild claim based purely on imagination. Firstly, how would White Star believe they could pull something like this off when no doubt hundreds of crew would see water pouring into the ship through the seacocks? However his comments that the James Fenton on how variation in a line presents the poet with many challenges. Did J. P. Morgan and J. Also, as discussed in point number 16 above, there was less interest in Titanic's maiden voyage, as her older sister had proceeded her. 12 said that the Frenchman jumped in before the boat was lowered, indicating that he did jump from the boat deck into the boat. Seacocks opened to hasten the sinking, 30. The claim does not align with Ballard's writing on the matter. As Titanic had a private promenade behind it the fireplace was moved to the "forward" wall this can be also seen on photographs taken by the press on board Titanic on April 10th 1912 a few hours before her departure and also today in the wreck.". 26. 26 'James Fenton antiques' For Sale and Sold ( 4 For Sale 22 Sold) Page 1. This woodwork has the reverse sides clearly marked. (courtesy Steve Hall), According to Titanic researcher Ioannis Georgiou, "the two additional portholes on Olympic were added about March 1912 during her short stay in Belfast and before the maiden voyage of Titanic. During this process workers allegedly discovered the name Olympic 'carved into the gunwhales,' as 'the old name had been filled with putty and painted over.' There are two keys errors in this hypothesis. Mr Reginald Fenton Butler was born in Portsmouth, Hampshire, England over the summer months of 1886. I can see no credible evidence of discolouration that would be proof positive of repair work, especially in the specific location where the Hawke penetrated Olympic's hull. is unfair and disingenuous at best. Take a look at the two photographs and compare for yourself. Mr Harold Arthur Sanderson, Director of the Oceanic Steam Navigation Company (not from Harland and Wolff as claimed), The answer to this is very simple: The name during her building and her sailing are in partly different positions because in the first construction image it was written over on the negative. Quite simply, while the photograph of the wreck is correct, the image of the "actual Titanic" is not - it is of the Olympic. He was the son of William Francis Butler (b. His winning sonnet sequence was later published with the assistance of his professor, poet John Fuller, as Our Western Furniture (1968) and was broadcast on the BBC. This was standard White Star Line practice. Survivors on B Deck saw lifeboats lowered from above Note that of these 6 vessels, 3 were travelling west and 3 were travelling east. 48. But for arguments sake let's take the larger of the two - the certified capacity number of both passengers and crew.
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