This was all logged in Christies hospital reports and is found in the Appendix of the petition filed in Federal Court in 1996 in the section Hospital Reports.. We already know that. HUGE conflict of interest. Nobody near to help. The men in her life were in no shape or form called on their irresponsible or wild behavior. If I included the ones I dont post, it would need more than a like or dislike button. Yes Gigi, the same judge who had removed the children was also presiding over her trial. A. I told Diane before, but I certainly didnt tell her to I found your blog to be very well written, informative and interesting. They would have welcomed them with open arms. Investigators found out that Diane had written letters to Robert almost every day, but they were almost all returned to her unopened. Even if I have no doubt that Hugi loved the kids, we have to wonder why he adopted them two years later just when little Christie started saying she had no clue who shot them. I will agree that it was suspicious that Diane got away with one bullet in the arm, even if the injury was severe, but she was outside the car and many scenarios are possible to that effect. All the reports and even the warden thought she was not a threat anymore. Moreover, it was not a suicide case, but of a woman who supposedly shot herself in the arm and her 3 children several times. The fruit of this abduction was the May 23, 1983, videotape re-enactment staged by Detective Tracy in which Diane is clearly hysterical. I think that you are right about certain things not being ignored. Diane did not get a fair trial. By many accounts, her children adored her. Thanks again for bringing this to my attention. (witness statement the gentleman who was behind her for at least 10 minutes). Every single one. Diane is not a killer or a liar! And Hugi seemed pretty sure he would get what he was asking for. Robert was a married man in Arizona with whom Diane had been having an affair, back when she was still living there. She was no mother of the year, I will grant them that, but a trial is supposed to be based on evidence. Prosecutors argued that Downs wanted to kill her children so she could be free to continue her affair with Robert Knickerbocker, who had been adamant that he did not want children. Back to DD, I think she suffered some kind of mental breakdown, her account of the facts was never reliable, all the case appears murky, which points to an incompetent handling of the situation by the police and justice system. Mr. Jagger said it wasnt t enough to know a witness had lied, but she would have to prove it. I mean, yeah, I can see the no contact order with Diane. You said that the absence of both prove she couldnt have been to shooter and you claim it takes real scrubbing to remove GSR. Right after her first surgery, The Detectives were adamant that they HAD to have Diane right then to recreate the incident- unless of course, you have something to hide. Robert calls Tucson, AZ, home. Clickhere to read about faulty ballistics.. Although the .22 used in the shootings was never found, police found unfired bullets in Downs home that had the same extractor marks as bullet casings found at the crime scene. That testimony was left unchallenged by Mr. Jagger. To the authorities, it was a ridiculous notion that they would not entertain so they did not follow on numerous leads coming from people who had seen someone corresponding to that description. My comment wont change their opinion on the barbarity of the American legal system, media influences and Ann Rules input. (I know that wasnt brought up this time but it usually is.) View the profiles of people named Robert Knickerbocker. . If the answer is, revenge, then it has been achieved. It probably was not salacious enough for her readers that she polled online to establish if there was enough interest in the story to fill her pockets with a definite blockbuster. She learnedat a young age to keep her emotions in check and to always present a strong and brave front. I lived through the media coverage. No worries. If she was such a manipulative person, she would not be in prison for life, would she? It was known as Manic Depression. No matter how much Ive read, or how many of her constant at the time interviews I watch on YouTube, the things that come from her brain to her mouth never cease to amaze me. Robert is related to Linda Knickerbockerpowell and Elna Mae Knickerbocker as well as 3 additional people. This happened in 1983, not 1893. Also, aside from her original mental state, which may or may not excuse her aloofness (doesnt prove shes a killer by the way! You seem to forget that even a few jurors started by voting not guilty on some of the charges. I felt there was something that should be done, but I was at a loss in how to cope with the Court that had given the children to the prosecutor and allowed false testimony to seal her fate. Theybrought out the big guns to unload on the public, their idea of the truth: Diane Downs was a horrible creature and a jilted lover who shot her three children in cold blood to be free to pursue a relationship with the man she was obsessed with. I might not have put enough information to your liking, but I stuck to what came out at trial and not the fantasy factory coming from the state, the media and Rule. Id have more influence arguing for better relationships with Mexico at a Donald Trump rally in Mexico. Did you read her statements to the parole board in 2008? Diane nowhad the title ofdangerous offender. In this article, we can clearly see that Becky struggled and tried to justify her woes (maybe rightly so) by blaming it on her DNA. But I would not know what her state of mind is because I did not witness it. Maybe she wanted to buy drugs. Everyone deserves peace. Most doctors would tell you that it is normal for our brains to block out a traumatic incident especially when combined with a serious physical injury. 6. Her children were obviously more severely injuredbecause being captive in the car while a shooter aimed at them gave them less of a chance to wiggle out of the situation than an adult outside the car. Some basic help and starters when you have to write a tribute to someone you love. If the adult can show capacity and willingness to provide care, love and nurturing to the children, then there is no legal reason to prevent them from becoming Foster Carers. Makes no difference to me. In fact, Knick admits Diane took that gold chain as collateral against a $500 LOAN she made to him. I like your approach. I mention in the blog that Dianes mental health is in question so it is obvious that her encounter with her long lost daughter was going to be difficult. Diane recanted the stories about her dad who vehemently denied them. Instead, there is blood splatter on the ceiling of the car. She had been the bread winner for most of her marriage, and never wavered in her desire to bring financial stability to her family. Rule defended her right to earn a living and to tell her story. One could argue that this blog does not stick to what came out at trial. And it is not like these two were white as snow. 1st, you came back from a trip? She is still in prison. If you shoot at least 6 inches from a victim, you see what is around you in the car. Mission accomplished: Relevance? When they assess the conduct of an inmate, what counts is mostly how she behaves inside through the years and if she shows violent tendencies. In a perfect world this would always be the case. Yes, but it is a fact that she was starting to say that she did not know who shot them when it happened. This blogger apparently believes anything she hears to support her inaccurate theory that Diane Downs was falsely accused and convicted. 3. I tried to contact you by email but my email wouldnt acknowledge you email address. If Diane was bipolar, the non-stop chatter would have been inherent to the situation. In fact, if appropriate family is found, termination is not required. The weird behavior (laughing and joking in the shooting reenactment), bullets found at her home and the constant changing of her story only is icing on her guilty cake. She was still trying to extricate herself from a bad relationship with Steve Downs and was in no hurry to repeat the mistake. Mr. Robert has resided in Tucson, AZ in a mobile / manufactured home with Tommy. And they kept at her and made suggestions when she would not implicate her mom. They said so and were told to go back to deliberate. Phone Number: (520) 293-QPFP +2 phones. Justice is all that is left. Modernism mixed with Medieval state of mind. I bet the records are and always have been sealed regarding this aspect of the case. Steven and Diane married on November 13, 1973. The gun presented at trial being the wrong one is a fact. How could Christie say anything but the things they told her to say with that kind of influence? Her arm was severely damaged, so shattered that she needed a graft from a hip bone. It always feels like punishment at all costs. The states own witness, Dr. George Suckow and Dr. Polly Jamison denounced Prosecutor Hugis practice as improper and unethical (Appendix 101 and 104). This blog is riddled with inconsistencies, suppositions and a lack of the most basic referencing (e.g. She functions best in highly structured environments where she has a sense of control. A fact strongly denied by Diane and by the nurses reports. No conflict of interest there? Where is the blood spatter on Diane? You need real evidence in court. I can't bear any of my tribal members to go through what I went through, says Ashlea Aldrichs mother. Thank you Lise. I have plans to go hunting with the husband of one of the alternates.. 5. If it was not such a high profile case, Diane Downs would have been paroled a long time ago: speculative, Ill stop there. No way. The guy should have walked away from the case or from adopting them. The detective said if Diane would just testify against Steve Downs, she and her children could go home and try to put their lives back together. Robert Knickerbocker is 66 years old today because Robert's birthday is on 05/15/1956. How one of them lied on the stand about ballistics? It was a dark and rural road. Diane was instructed to reenact her response to the attacker who murdered her daughter. Diane wanted to wait for her daughter to feel better, be accompanied by an expert and have the meetings taped? Work: Rising Tide LP - General Partner, Rising Tide LTD Partnership - Chief Executive Officer, knickerbocker investments - owner +1 more. Robert Craig KNICKERBOCKER was born on December 25, 1932 and passed away on May 15, 2015 in Tucson, AZ and is under the care of. It was all about Charlene wanting KnickKnick ~wanting Dianeand Diane wanting a return to the peace she had before Knick asked his wife for a divorce. The Lifetime channel constantly makes movies based loosely on the truth; this approach is an effective weapon aimed at swaying public opinion about high-profile cases. Downs was constantly provoked by inmates because of the nature of her situation, and she never once attacked or defended herself in a violent manner. Robert is in his early sixties now and retired. Lack of impulse control is also another symptom that might explain why a mother would stop at night to help a stranger flagging her on the road. And what happened to her little daughter is beyond unethical. Also known as Robert K Knickerbocker, Robert K Knickerbocke, R K Knickerbocker, R . But if the blogger is arguing that the blog is balanced and objective, thats patently untrue. I am not saying that Diane was a saint or Ann Rule a demon. Not exclusively a USA trait, this happens also in many countries, but in a technologically advanced superpower like USA this attitude is more shocking, and maybe also more worldwide spread. Diane had thought that her own three kids were the reason why they werent together, and thus, apparently decided to take matters into her own hands. She had the right to a fair trial as much as anyone else out there. People tend to forget that the group of young women hanging out with Manson were deeply engaged in serious drug use and totally out of their mind at the time. After graduation, Steven joined the Navy and Diane was sent to Pacific Coast Baptist Bible College where she failed miserably at remaining pure and chaste, not unlike most girls of her generation who rejected their strict religious upbringing. Did CK shoot at car when DD drove away? It is my hope that Leslie Van Houten and Diane Downs are never paroled. It probably makes you feel so good. You paint a picture that is actually inaccurate and misleading. A very reasonable request that was rejected. I say these things if I were on the jury. 78 court search results for people named "Robert Knickerbocker" in the United States. A reader told me that I should have a website with all the comments. Most get through it fine, maybe some complications or pain, maybe even some post pardum. After Diane got divorced from her husband in 1980, she had taken up a job at the U.S. postal service office, and thats where she first met him. She had no blood spatter or gun powder residue on her hands,clothing or hair. Eventually, in early 1983, Knickerbocker told Downs that he was not going to leave his wife for her and that he did not want to be father to Downs children or any children, for that matter. I do have to take issue with this article about Diane Downs. Thats the problem with high profile cases. You do not have to agree with my general opinion outside of the facts of the case, but I would appreciate some comments on what matters; how this case was handled at trial and during the investigation. Caught in the act, Hugi declared that Christie only said that because she was pressed for an answer. But there was a lot left unsaid about this relationship. So how she behaved at the time, should not have been a factor influencing the authorities. I do not believe that this type of abuse would occur today. They felt safe there. The prescribed normal dosage for a full grown man is 30 milligrams per day. If there is one thing Diane knew about her lover, is that he was fickle and did not like trouble of any kind. But before you get too deep into the drug stuff with Van Houten, she chose to take drugs. It took months to get Christie to say that her mother was the culprit and that is when they arrested Diane. Is it too late to respond to this? And the interrogations were not tapedand barelydocumented. Not unlike Diane, Alice did not want to share her pain in public. . I try to bring out the details that were ignored because Down was so unpopular. This reminds me of what a jail counselor named Rachel Roth said at the trial of Debra Milke Its my opinion that this young woman has been judged in a way that signifies something to do with how we view women in our society. If the answer is, to keep the public safe, then I call BS. Consider offering these words of comfort if you're not sure what's appropriate. Ive done my research. They should have looked for a possible accomplice and checked all the leads. Your prayers were answered. Growing up, Diane had felt like an outsider and kids had been cruel towards her because of her real or imagined ugly duckling looks and demeanor. 132 records for Robert Knickerbocker. The crucial point is that she is so void of emotion. Only after these avenues are exhausted should non-relative placement be looked at. The american system often reminds me of what Charles Dickens talked about in his novels. Anyway, it takes a good scrubbing with soap and water to get rid of gun powder residues and doing so with only one arm would be quite difficult. Great blog post, thank you. I think u need to read the facts. Even on a worldwide scale, the age of accountability is considered to be twelve years old. and so on. 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