*My cousin commutes from the edge of the surrounding New York Metro Area to the city. And the alternate routes actually arent any faster, just more interesting (residential/light business) to look at. 40 x 5 = 200, or over 3 hours. But in this case there is wide spread collective knowledge that confirms the traffic. School doesn't stop when you get home. Good luck! The miserable part was just being completely uncertain on a day-to-day basis what it would be until Im actually out there on the road. I didnt end up taking the job, but I thought that the honesty was nice probably better than losing someone to the culture shock. So once in a blue moon, I would hit them all, and when that happened my commute took 45 minutes. She calls friends. Then, the last half of our commute is on the (usually unclogged) toll road to south Orange County. I lived in Murray (south of Salt Lake), since I went to the University of Utah, but I actually enjoyed the commute. OP, this is unsustainable. I used to do Reading-Aldgate and it was one of factors that contributed to my looking for another job. Your boyfriend can move to you this time. Id take a pay cut to work closer to LB over living in the valley for ANY amount of money. I got a new job and now my commute is 15 minutes. my toxic former employee is poisoning my staff, my employee blows up my phone with memes and videos even in the middle of the night and refuses to stop, VP is pressuring everyone into choreographed dances, boss eats while on the phone, and more, I got in trouble for using a mouse jiggler despite my excellent work, 10 impressive questions to ask in a job interview, my employee doesnt think were doing enough about bears at work, I caught my employee in a compromising position in the parking lot, employer only gives raises for promotions months later, and more. It takes me about 45 minutes to get 12 miles to work when I leave at 7:30 AM. One hour one way (two hours both ways, on a good day) has taken its toll, and I cant imagine how bad it can feel if you are taking on a two hour commute. But I will say that routinely taking 2 hours to go only 30 miles is unusual sometimes, sure, but 4 days out of 5 iskind of whacked. (Forgot to add, distance is just over 20 miles.). For this area, its the cost of housing that drives people to live further away from the metro areas and creates those long commutes. So while I think theres a few factors contributing here, I think its perfectly OK to not WANT a two-hour commute, and to figure out how to make your life easier on yourself. I have an hour commute for a contract job I just took and they were super concerned that I wouldnt take it because of that. I had to chuckle a bit, because as a life-long SF Bay Area native 2 hours is quite common here (thought I know its not the norm in a lot of the US). Never moving there either. Anything more would made me very anxious. If the traffic in LA in untenable for you, it isnt unreasonable to move to another city if that is a possibility for you. Alas, Los Angeles is like this nowadays. Im not surprised that it has doubled as of today. Im in Atlanta, which is notoriously bad for commutes. Ive done a 2 hour each way commute, but I hated it. MERCED? Speaking as a lifelong Bay Area resident, I would never say that 2 hours is *normal* for the Bay. Its AWFUL. I remember how I felt about it two years after and can promise that compared to then I feel a lot more confident and comforable now (~5 years out). 2 hours is not normal but that doesnt really help you. Also, I wonder, how long is your boyfriends commute? If I take a Lyft or drive I can get there in only half the time, but I dont currently have a car, so for now its bus/walk/occasionally bike. Its like when youre filling up a container with liquid using a funnel if you pour too fast, itll overflow, even if there is still room in the container. Local commuting friends report anywhere from 30 minutes to 1.25 hours. I vowed to never drive more than 30 mins each way (on a regular basis, there always can be exceptions) and have actually chosen to live really close to my jobs since then. I would say 45 min-1 hr is normal. That was one train ride with a walk on both ends. I found this very helpful while job searching. 8.67 miles/hour. -Dont complain about the commute or traffic. Commutes longer than 45 minutes are up 12 percent in that time span, and 90-minute one-way commutes are 64 percent more common than in 1990. No commute is worth it, especially by car http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2011/10/06/the-true-cost-of-commuting/. This current 10 minute commute is my reward for all those winter road commutes on the highway. On the other hand a 1.5/2 hour commute would be very mentally . He had to take the 580 through the mountains to get to Fremont, which is a total bottleneck so it always sucked. Loads of people have to do that daily, so twice a week is piece of piss. By bus (three buses total) it takes an hour. My gf at the time, her dad would watch all the cop chases and I hit the floor a few times because I know what gunfire sounds like. And I managed a 45 minute driving commute for two and a half years, its not bad, but not ideal either, even with some sweet tunes in the car. Its so hard for me to give 100% at work when I can barely recharge to 50% by Wednesday which is not only unfair to me, but also unfair to the owners and my colleagues. Theres no bus/transit that does a straight line between home and work, so I either have to take one bus into downtown then switch to another to get to Soma, or take a bus downtown then walk 20 minutes. Only two main surface streets (or I-90 and one surface street, but I try to avoid it because I hate tolls). Not that anyone cares but Im in staff housing again and my current commute is about four minutes walk. Okay so I live in Orange County and accepted a job based in Santa Monica with the intention of moving to there/west LA, only to find out the apartments in my budget were either dumps, in a bad area, or both. Get a budget card and park m deck. Now I dont even use half of it (but my Wifi at home is bad and so I dont want to get rid of it). for about a year i commuted an hour to work and i did get used to it but i wouldnt choose to go back to doing that. Ive lived in Queens and Manhattan and have never had a commute less than one hour. If he doesnt know any different, it wont seem that bad. I am hoping I never actually do! The rage was real. Evening is a little longer because the work shuttle hits some heavy traffic. Best of luck in finding a solution! We had a store manager for a while that worked in Irvine and lived in Hemet (because thats the closest he could afford to buy a house), and spent at least six hours per day driving, sometimes more. Im running out of podcasts to binge. Yes, for LA (and the SF Bay Area), that is indeed common. We all have to make decisions in life. (By comparison, my father has commuted an hour+ for 38 years. Learned that lesson the hard way! It is the traffic when driving that makes it stressful. I think the longest commute I have ever had was 45 minutes to an hour (once driving and once by subway). The only time Ive ever gotten stuck in traffic in my commute is when theres a wreck, and everyone decides to exit in one lump. As Allison said, its not unheard of. Picking Up Three Kids At Two Different Locations In Provo Twice Week. If I drive, it takes 45 minutes or more. It takes about 45 minutes 30 minutes on the train and 15 minutes of walking. I grew up in the Seattle area, then got a job in downtown Seattle. But theyll pretty much all be crowded. So I dont have to be actively driving. Right, but then you have to walk HOME six miles, too. I live in Burbank. I highly recommend that before accepting an offer you drive the commute during rush hour. even that is on the higher end of what i would prefer. I dont have personal experience with it, but I have heard that EMDR therapy can work well for PTSD. once you get west of downtown LA), the worse it gets as well. I cant afford that because I dont make that much. miles. Also parking is my huge thing when picking a place to live. I would only move back to San Francisco if I could live AND work in the city. I honestly didnt think less than an hour was possible in NYC. If I needed to be in LB by 6 I would take off at 3:15-3:30 (you are right about missing that window!) 37 traffic lights, multiple school zones. The university was 45 miles away so of course it should take about an hour to get there. And I even think of Castro Valley as far, but thats not too bad in the grand scheme of things. Unfortunately, the OP chose to ignore the data that was given about the job. While it wasnt the only straw to break the proverbial camels back at OldJob, going from a 20 minute commute to at least an hour and 10 minutes was hellish for me. Were building more but its going to take a long time. Not only are all houses money pits, my executive function issues are too severe for me to deal with the major responsibility of it all. LA traffic is just brutal. Ill never go back to the stress of traffic jam commuting. Its a 25-30 minute ride. I wouldnt take a 2+ hours commute either and have actually rejected or self selected out of jobs that would put me in that range (and I dont drive but exclusively use public transportation). More than 25 minutes in the car each way would drive me mad before the first week was out. Yeah, I literally do not do anything during the week. It works for me, for now. If you otherwise like your job, is moving closer to work an option? Around Chicago, my commute is a 30-40 minute drive from suburb to suburb (Schaumburg/Elgin to Mt. I think it is very hard to understand LA geography without spending some time driving there (and you can spend decades there without seeing or interacting with 2/3 of it, depending on the corridors you frequent). Occasionally I catch a bit of traffic heading out of my city, but Im going the opposite direction of most commuters so its rarely too bad. My times are similar maybe a little shorter in the PM coming from near the 101/92 interchange. 2 hours is long, but traffic has been getting worse, so its really not wildly outside normal in this area. It takes about 30 mins to go 30 miles to and from work. Direct shot down the 405 (I checked driving times through the Sepulveda Pass every day one week and it went from 45 minutes to 3 hours, because of CA drivers. You can get folding bikes for public transport or some stations have permanent bike racks you can keep your bike in. Traffic is bad-and others certainly do have commutes that long-but a more reasonable one is possible. Freeways everywhere, and theyre all jampacked. As someone who moved from sunny Florida to the Midwest, I definitely had conversations with my Midwest-raised then-boyfriend that ran along the lines of this amount of snow is very common and people do learn to drive relatively safely in it. When you move somewhere very different, knowing the local norms helps you know what you might be able to get used to, and what people might expect of you if you dont remind them that youre new and your norms are different. A non-resident worker (NRW) who works as a cleaner in Macau but lives in Zhuhai tested positive for COVID-19 in Zhuhai on Monday, Macau's Novel Coronavirus Response and Coordina That commute would not be tolerable for me. Some people want to be able to afford a big 3-4 bedroom house, so theyre willing to come from farther away in order to live somewhere they can afford that. Day. I remember when I magically cut my usual 45 minute commute down to 7 minutes by moving closer. Can't be sustainable imo but his are you fairing. I moved apartments as soon as I could and cut it down to a ten-minute drive. Good point about the roads! Obviously, the traffic in LA is even worse. I believe it. I am fortunate enough to also work in LB, but I had the soul-sucking 1.5 hour each way commute when I lived in the Chicagoland area so I feel you. Mass transit the entire way, one-way commute time: 2.5 hours. Anyway, it is Very Uncool of him to hear your frustration and stress and downplay it like that. I live about 12-13 miles from where I work. Its a parking lot because theres too many cars taking up physical space for there to even be room to drive at the limit. HOUSTON (AP) A former suburban Houston police officer was set to be executed Tuesday for hiring two people to kill his estranged wife nearly 30 years ago. Its 4 5 miles between my house and the T station (depends on the route). The best to hope for in the car is audiobooks and podcasts. My old job used to get us to commute to a neighbouring city a couple of times a week- 1.5-2 hours each way. They offer typical traffic estimates. Hats off to those who can stand commuting long periods like that. I live on the edge of Boston and have either worked in the city or had a reverse commute for a decade, but given the whimsical nature of Boston/suburban road layout and our subway system in relation to where my apartment actually is, the shortest commute Ive ever had has been 45 minutes door to door, usually closer to an hour. London based and an hour door to door is my rule of thumb. OP, can you take the blue line into DTLA and then Uber/Rideshare into WeHo? Agreed, I live in LA and while 2 hours seems to be pushing it a bit, at least a third of my office has a 1.5 hr commute. Train delays are typical. One more option Commuter Express buses! Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Is it 1 hr, 15 mins? stereotype or not, i wont live in the midwest. Its not over the top. Tracy/Manteca/Stockton are solidly San Joaquin Valley, and a commute from anywhere south of Ceres (including Merced) is not considered commutable by most folks. If its an option to exit, Id go for a longer way around just to keep from sitting it traffic for 2 hours. The work hours and commute hours add up to 60 to 62.5 hours per week. This is driving Metro is about 45 minutes each way including walk time on both ends, but Ive mostly quit doing that. Now my commute is an easy 15 minutes. this is def normal for Southern California. If I hit traffic at the wrong time, it could take me 1.5-2 hrs to make what was normally a 25-30 minute drive. In the US it'd probably be considered living close to work! I mean, Im screaming inside and my commute is regularly an hour and a half! Great point. Me personally, Im taking a vanpool from the IE to the OC. My car is 19 years old with over 100k miles, but still runs great because its been mostly long drives with not a lot of stop & go. They were flexible on start times but I always tried to shoot for 9:30 or earlier versus 10 because I wanted OUT. Saying that, Im happy to abandon working with my other half if my job application for a job 15 minutes from home is successful ! And Id be forever stressed about what time Id need to leave for work to make it on time, knowing theres no way Id know for sure because of the human factor. What was the most outrageously unwarranted bollocking you After the Hy-un-dai, sorry I mean, Hyun-dai, fiasco, what Press J to jump to the feed. But its not close to Griffith Park at all. My brother has a 50 minute commute, but its on highways and country roads with no traffic, to the next town over. Is it an hour today? My commute in Philly was like that. More often than not I'd be home in 25 minutes and most days I spent less than an hour in the car. These are my hard limits: LA traffic is the worst. 2 hours! In 1990. Oh no! Yeah I agree that thats a SoCal thing. Source: I grew up in LA, have lived here nearly my entire life, and am currently working here. I cant imagine wasting 2-3 additional hours of my day just getting to/from work. This just doesnt seem worth it, especially in the long term. . I pick jobs I apply for (Im lucky to be in a in-demand job so I can be picky) and if Id really have no choice for a job, Id move closer (Im by no means attached to my house, its just a house). But its much more relaxing than driving from Toronto to Barrie. I think you need to try to find something more manageable and not feel bad about it. Try carpool with coworkers that live in or near Orange County. Here in the DC area, a 45 60 minute commute is generally the norm but its not unheard of for people to face a 1.5+ hour commute. My current one is 15 on a good day, and when its nice out I can even walk in ~25 minutes. Compensatory time off is not allowed in lieu of pay for holiday call-back. 2) Move closer to your work (may not be possible) If this job allows you the finances/time to travel, do things you love then its something you have to take into account. I have lived in CA for the last 16 years, & been in LA for the last 13. Its an awesome daycare, but we hate this. Instead were now spending billions of dollars trying to get our transit system caught up. I currently live 15 minutes away from work. If there is a problem it gets worse (on all my possible routes). I found a radio station with bible studies, so I listened to that. I imagined conversations like, Two hours, isnt that crazy! Mine is 35-45 minutes by public transport, and thats about my limit. I had to drive to the train, take a 1h10m train ride, then transfer to the subway to my office. Driving would be too stressful. A couple of my team members fly in for half the week from LA or San Diego. Honestly, the only person I knew who ever commute that far was an intern from a college town a couple hours away (and that shocked me that hed do that each day). Mine is 35 minutes. Spoken as an Angelino with a 1 hr public transit commute. Theres no way I could do 2 hours. Id say move closer to your job, honestly, if you can. Welcome to life in LaLaLand! SoCal living! 2 hours is totally normal and expected for a trip like this in rush hour. This is one of those things that depends on you and your situation. I was new to the area and was blinded bc it was a Cool Company and I thought I liked driving after not having a car for 5+ years and was excited about it. Id just say that you should see if you can find a new job before you quit. The median home price is $1.3 million dollars in my city. Exactly. You can see them broken down by metro area here and by county here. UGH, have lived in the valley, 0/10, would not repeat. 118, 5, 170, 101 then streets (4 freeways? I have a =/- 1.5 hour one way commute right now, due to economic factors turns out housing close to work is crazy expensive, who knew? NYC had an incentive to grow *up*, where LA had more incentive to grow *out*. I loved my neighborhood when I first moved to DCI was near Shaw, and it was amazing: I was right across the street from a great bar, cool restaurants in easy walking distance, and I loved the architecture. But once I had to move out of the city (and out of King County entirely) to find affordable housing, my commute shot up to about 90 minutes on a good day, 2+ hours if there was weather or any accidents. I do all my decompressing in my car and I drive 45 minutes out of my way to shop in peace as well, so Im just a big ol crazy pants wanderer. That doesnt mean traffic here isnt bad, it means I found ways to avoid it. Which went on for well over a year on the stretch of road I was commuting on? but thosere a lot less stressful than 2 hours of stop and go rush hour crap. Part of the reason for this is that DC obviously has a lot of federal employees, but rent in the district (and even just outside of it!) I live and work in different parts of LA than you do, but I and my husband have both had some really awful commutes since weve moved out here. Im fortunate to carpool which cuts it down to 25-45 minutes using the HOV lane, but thats not always reliable especially when people have life changes. Yuuuuuup. I did an hour commute in Chicago. Already decided, not worth it! The average daily commute in the U.S. is about 25 minutes. Also a New Yorker. Totally fine. He mostly works an 11am-7pm schedule so his commute is only 45 min. Same! I told myself my commute was just 3.5 hr of reading time that I normally wouldnt allow myself, so really, I was the lucky one (positivity and denial were really helpful too!) Im one of those people. Good luck =), Break a leg! The roads are bad (potholes that could eat a car), and all the ways to my suburb are sketchy. The traffic was two red stoplights. I spend my time on the train reading or listening to podcasts/audiobooks while poking at Facebook or whatever. Im excited to see what everyone thinks and shares. LA does have public transportation systems, HOV lanes and toll roads to help ease traffic, but they are really inefficient, inadequate and expensive as you get further away into the suburbs so there isnt a big incentive for people to use them. Its all a tradeoff. It would only help for one way, but it would still give you back an hour or so. Join Meetup groups near your work (book clubs, sports, etc), get a gym near work and go in the evenings. My commute could be close to 1 to 2 hours on a good day. Its a big place, like any major metropolitan area, where traffic sucks and there are bad drivers and stressful commutes. I used to drive from OC to Pasadena once a month to sell at the Rose Bowl flea market, but since that was at the literal crack of ass on a Sunday, there was NEVER any traffic! Include the Commute Cost Calculator on Your Own Website! Its not smart comedy in quite the same vein as those, but the No Such Thing as a Fish podcast is wonderful. door to door. But Im not one to just complain so Im actively looking for a new opportunity to better suit what I want. The LW is well within their reason to search for another job or another place to live. For a while, my husband and I were both commuting in opposite directions from our house, each taking roughly an hour. My husband and I ended up moving to a more central location in our city so that we could be close to our current jobs and also so that if we ever switched jobs, we wouldnt have to deal with an unpredictable commute like we did before. Good luck! I dont know if moving is an option, but it might be worth exploring. Now we can afford to save for a house and have space to start a family. You can absolutely take the M train from Bushwick to Broadway-Lafayette in under 45 minutes. Im super late to the party (hooray vacation and Feedly), but I lived in Anaheim and worked at USC (downtown LA) for a couple of years. I usually spend a couple nights a week closer to work at a hotel or Airbnb, but thats also kind of a hassle. The only difference Ive seen is the urbanization of the formerly rural parts of those counties (e.g., Gilroy, Antioch/Oakley, Livermore, Healdsburg, Petaluma, Vacaville) and an expanding commute pattern. I have 45-60 minutes subway/walking from Brooklyn to Manhattan and I would just like to thank the Original Poster for reminding me that I really dont have it that bad, even though I was cursing out the MTA in my head this morning lol. Im Bay Area and peninsula to city (or peninsula to SJC) is easily 1o miles and 90 minutes. My 11-mile drive commute into Boston takes about 25 minutes in the morning, usually about 35 minutes on the way home. Anyway! so long as Im actually moving. Right now Im at about 45-50 minutes depending on metro waits. Thursday and Friday afternoons going northbound (away from NYC ) is the worst. Totally agree. Lordy, I hope someone is watching. Where in OC? I have a good job at a good organization that Im not willing to leave, and trying to find work in a different state is a difficult endeavor. But around here its very common for people to live 30-40 miles (or more) away and commute in by car or train for up to 2 hours. We are likely going to have to move again and it makes my stomach churn to even consider having to take the subway every day. I picked housing that was 15 miles away instead of the 30 miles away better areas that everyone else thought I should go to because I didnt want an hour commute so Ive been a little disappointed with the 45 minute days, honestly. Those trips are close to an hour even late at night because its not all highway. I wouldnt recommend the Blue Line to anyone, not if they had other alternatives. I dont work work from home either, just happen to literally be able to walk to work. It also made us think twice about coming back to town to see friends, etc. While a two-hour commute is definitely not unheard of, I wouldnt call it NORMAL (I can only think of a small handful of friends and family living in the area who have that long of a commute). When theres no traffic (AKA weekends, or days when OPM has delayed arrival and Im the last to know) I can get there in about 30 minutes. RightIm in the DC area and the max I can handle is 60 minutes for a normal commute. It gave pretty good estimates of the average commute times. Anaheim to LB is easy! I live in the Denver metro, which is somewhat trafficky but nowhere near LA levels, and a 30 mile commute into/across downtown during rush hour will easily be 1-1.5 hours. How can I make my drive to work more productive? Zero. Yep! I hated the long drives, but when you have 3 million people going to the same place at the same time, what else can you do ? Now lets imagine 1000 cars: the delay for the last car 2000 seconds if theres any stoppage whatsoever. I live in a big city with a lot of surrounding suburbs that makes a huge metro area. But sadly, its the norm for a lot of people in the metro areas. Taking a break from driving can be really helpful. Agreed. Some of those areas are now considered commutable, but theyre not considered to be part of the Bay Area proper. I live in the SFV, two major freeways are short drives away. A lot of people, a lot of cars, not a lot of trains, and limited road options because of the terrain. ! I did not own my part in natural selection. So, the speed of travel you describe seems pretty normal for LA, but thats exactly why people dont live 30 miles from their workplace if they can help it! Would you be able to at least leave earlier, even if you cant start work early? And my office is walking distance to the train station. But I knew that already. Ive only ever lived/worked in the Midwest. I now have two traffic lights that slow me down to 10 minutes. It would be about 10, but businesses here really discourage employees from driving, so I opted for the free bus pass over $18 a day parking! Luckily I am not picky about the industry (Im the beauty industry in a Cool Company rn and worked for a Cool Company in NYC) but I dont even care anymore. Thats actually why I stopped taking public transit and started biking in the first place.
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